Йохимбин

[Jus]

Планируешь сколько кушать его? На безуглеводке?

пока на кето. Покушаю с месяц, посмотрю... динамику до этого засек, посмотрим, как с этим йохом изменится...

[Ark]

То на кето им теплее становится, то от йохимбина морозит... а у меня вообще никаких изменений, что со мной не так?)

[Jus]

То на кето им теплее становится, то от йохимбина морозит... а у меня вообще никаких изменений, что со мной не так?)

мож на опыты тебя сдать, как неординарную личность? ))

[Satana14_88]

В инэте куча одинаковых статей про то что его нельзя употреблять вместе с едой ,и вообще 4 часа после не есть. В начале темы писали про "15-20 мин до еды". Так когда его есть , до-после по времени?

[Outlawif]

Статьи в инете, если постараться, можно найти вообще походу с любым произвольным содержанием... Из инструкции:

Способ применения и дозы:

Внутрь, по 5-10 мг 1-3 раза в сутки, во время еды, не разжевывая и запивая стаканом воды. Курс лечения - 3-10 нед. При необходимости курс можно повторить не ранее чем через 10 нед после предшествующего.

Инструкции конечно не для качков, но в данном случае можно сделать вывод что всасыванию еда не мешает.

 

Да и вообще не вижу причин почему нужно голодать при его приеме. Да, кстати, если 4 часа после него не есть, и употреблять его трижды в сутки на голодный желудок, то выходит что нужно вообще не есть. Тогда и сомневаться не приходится в его эффективности для похудения...

[Jus]

Да, кстати, если 4 часа после него не есть, и употреблять его трижды в сутки на голодный желудок, то выходит что нужно вообще не есть. Тогда и сомневаться не приходится в его эффективности для похудения...

вот оно где собака порылась-то! ))))))

[Мишанька-2]

Статьи в инете, если постараться, можно найти вообще походу с любым произвольным содержанием... Из инструкции: Инструкции конечно не для качков, но в данном случае можно сделать вывод что всасыванию еда не мешает.

 

Да и вообще не вижу причин почему нужно голодать при его приеме. Да, кстати, если 4 часа после него не есть, и употреблять его трижды в сутки на голодный желудок, то выходит что нужно вообще не есть. Тогда и сомневаться не приходится в его эффективности для похудения...

Утром его пить и перед тренеровкой, желательно что бы 2-3 часа прошло после еды.

[Leka00]

пробовал йохимбе и клен вместе. это были самые плохие ощущения. тренировка была практически была сорвана. повышеный пульс и аритмия-задыхлся. после тренировки пульс 116- 120 и не падает. пока не выпил метопролол не полегчало.

[Outlawif]

желательно что бы 2-3 часа прошло после еды

Аргументы?

[Hvaran]

стил фром стил

 

Суть не в ДО или ПОСЛЕ еды, а суть в НИЗКОМ УРОВНЕ ИНСУЛИНА

dr. stalingrad

imenno. Prichem o nizkom urovne insa v opredelennyj moment: kogda zhir izvlekaetsja iz kletok i kogda on transportiruetsja so svoej rodiny v kletki dlja kremacii. Imenno v etot moment okazyvaet dejstvie yohimbin: oblegchaet izvlechenie zhira iz tkanej s vysokoj koncentraciej al'fa-adrenoreceptorov i rasshirjaet krovenosnye sosudy, chto oblegchaet transport.

 

Izvlekat' zhir effektivno vysokointensivnoj rabotoj tipa intervalov, transportirovat' i szhigat' - nizkointensivnoj nizhe laktatnogo bar'era (laktat "zapiraet" zhirovye kletki), nu ili vo vremja pokoja (hotja effekt men'she v silu men'shego energorashoda).

 

Takim obrazom, nizkij ins vazhen okolo vysokointensivnoj raboty i srazu posle, a vo vremja neposredstvennogo szhiganija - net. esli process szhiganija proishodit posle treni (vo vremja pokoja) - to uzhe mozhno i pokushat', yohimbin uzhe ne vazhen.

 

А вот собственно как я понял один первопроходцев и тех, кто распространил идею приема Йохимбина гдрохлорида, по крайней мере на англоязычном качковском пространстве (часто ссылаются именно на него и его протоколы удаления ПРОБЛЕМНОГО/ПОСЛЕДНЕГО ЖИРА)

 

Для маньяков этой темы и знатаков английского вырезал из его книги моменты теории и практики про этот преп (может после частичных переводов и обсуждений можно будет прилепить в начало темы).

 

Lyle McDonald's "Getting Rid of Stubborn Body Fat"

 

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The bigger problem with stubborn fat has to do with:

 

- Blood flow to the fat cells: which is typically very low, odds are your butt is cold to the touch compared to other areas of your body

- It's harder to mobilize: both because of impaired blood flow, and because of adrenoceptor issues.

 

Oral yohimbe (0.2 mg/kg) can be effective when used over the long term. Don't take it within 3-4 hours of taking ephedrine, and start with a half-dose to assess tolerance (some people get really freaky responses from it). IF you can find pharmaceutical yohimbine, it's far far better than the herbal version (and most of the herbal versions are crap, the only one I trust is Twinlab Yohimbe Fuel).

 

Taking the yohimbe with caffeine prior to morning cardio does seem to help with very stubborn fat.

 

 

That option is yohimbe (or yohimbine HCL). Corning from the bark of an African tree, yohimbe originally got an (incorrect) reputation as a testosterone

enhancer but it doesn't affect hormones at all. Rather, it is a naturally occurring alpha-2

receptor antagonist.

 

lf you're confused about the names, yohimbe is the herbal/bark-derived version,

yohimbine HCL is the synthetic version. For reasons I'm going to explain below, I

strongly recommend that dieters who want to use this compound obtain the synthetic

yohimbine HCL and I'll refer to yohimbine from here on out. Keep in mind that all of my

comments apply equally to both unless otherwise specified.

 

As mentioned in a previous chapter, alpha-antagonism tends to increase blood flow and

yohimbine is known for having benefits for treating impotence. Back in the day,

anything that gave men wood was assumed to be doing so via testosterone production and

that's where the idea came from. But again, despite what it says on many supplement

bottles, yohimbine does NOT affect testosterone levels.

 

However, yohimbine does inhibit alpha-2 receptors and studies have shown that this

increases fatty acid mobilization from stubborn fat cells. Yohmbe affects not only alpha-2

receptors on fat cells but also will impact on the alpha-2 receptors in the circulation,

improving blood flow. Finally, yohimbine will help keep the body's production of

noradrenaline higher by inhibiting the normal feedback loop that decreases levels while

dieting. All of the effects of yohimbine do nothing but help with the mobilization of

stubborn body fat. Various studies have shown these effects and one recent study found

that oral yohimbine decreased body fat significantly in soccer players over only 3 weeks of

use.

 

As above, yohimbe can be found in both herbal and pharmaceutical forms (as yohimbine

HCL). The herbai is not without problems, mainly side effects related to other compounds

found in the bark. Chills accompanied by sweats and severe stimulation can occur with

the herbal; at one time it's all that could be obtained (Twinlab herbal Yohimbe Fuel was

the only product I ever trusted to contain what it claimed). Unless it's all you can get, I

don't recommend the herbal product.

 

Yohimbine HCL is a much cleaner compound with all of the benefits and few of the side

effects of the herbal. The biggest problem is that Yohimbine HCL can only be sold in 2.5

mg pills; with an effective dose of 0.2 mg/kg (14 mg for a 70 kg athlete), this means having

to swallow a bunch of pills. But it's worth it to avoid the side effects.

 

I'd note that the effects of yohimbine are eliminated by even small amounts of insulin

which means that yohimbine needs to be taken several hours from a meal or first thing in

the morning. I'll come back to this in the application cliapters. As well, yohimbine

increases the insulin response to carbohydrate; for people who fear insulin (you know who

you are), the meal consumed after yohimbine consumption: should be lower in

carbohydrates as well.

 

Note that yohimbine has a sort of passive stimulant effect. By itself it won't do a whole lot

but it tends to amplify the effects of other stimulating things such as exercise, ephedrine or

caffeine; I don't recommend it be taken with ephedrine (or within 4 hours of an ephedrine

dose) for this reason. Some people can tolerate it but this is not universal.

 

 

Taking yohimbe before high intensity activities such as weight training or intervals can make

people feel like their heart is going to come out of their chest.

I should also note that yohimbine can cause anxiety attacks in susceptible individuals, by

raising brain levels of noradrenaline. Anyone with such a tendency should not use

yohimbine at any dose.

 

Interestingly, with chronic long-term use, yohimbine builds up in tissues and the effect on

fat loss seems to accelerate. It's important to note that yohimbine can also cause water

retention and many dieters find that their fat loss is briefly masked due to this. Going off

yohimbine for about 3 days will have you pissing like a racehorse and should leave you dry

and lean. If bodybuilding is your goal, make sure you do it in time to do water

manipulation stuff for your show. Anyone seeking extreme leanness on a specific date,

will need to do the same for maximal visual impact.

 

I'd note that oral yohimbine is not perfect in that it will affect all tissues in the body. It

would be better if we could isolate it to fat cells only and various approaches have been

tried. Some maniacs have injected it but the more sane cutting edge approach is to try to

make a topical cream with various other compounds and carriers. I remain incredulous,

the skin has an unbelievably good circulatory system and most of the anecdotal reports

I've seen suggest that topical yohimbine is just ending up in the systemic circulation

anyhow (people still report heart rate/blood pressure increases which shouldn't occur if

the effect is isolated to fat cells). In my opinion, skip the topical and stick with oral

yohimbine HCL which is, at least, a known quantity.

 

Кончаем с лирикой и переходим к практике

 

Protocol 2: Oral yohimbine plus low intensity aerobic activity As noted above, not everyone can or will follow a low-carbohydrate diet. At the same

time, the higher intensities of the upcoming stubborn fat protocols 1.0 and 2.0 may not be

workable either. They may simply need something to do on the days they aren't doing

SFP 1.0 or 2.0.

 

This brings us to Protocol 2 which is to use oral yohimbine at a dose of 0.2 mg/kg (take

your bodyweight in pounds and divide by 2.2 to get kg, then multiply by 0.2 to get your

yohimbine dose in milligrams). So a 155 lb. athlete (70kg) would consume 14 mg of

yohimbine per dose. Although many recommend splitting the yohimbine dose

throughout the day, this is not the best way to take it for stubborn fat mobilization; the

entire dose should be taken all at once, ideally with caffeine (100-200 mg depending on

body weight) 30-60 minutes before low intensity aerobic activity. Again, L-tyrosine (1-3 grams)

could be added as well. With this approach, the yohimbine inhibits the alpha-2

receptors, caffeine and/or tyrosine helps jack up catecholamine output and the low

intensity aerobic activity does the rest.

 

I'd note that while I'm talking about this approach as if it's on a carb-based diet, it will also

work fine (if not a bit better) coupled with low-carbs. It's just that a strict lowcarbohydrate

diet isn't mandatory when oral yohimbine is brought into the equation.

I'd remind readers that even small amounts of insulin shut down yohimbine's effects

pretty much completely. The yohimbine/caffeine/cardia combination should either be

done fasted first thing in the morning or 3-4 hours after a meal (that should ideally

contain either smaller amounts of carbs, very low glycemic carbs or both).

 

Similar to the first protocol, Protocol 2 is more or less appropriate for everyone and can be

used daily if needed or desired. Keep in mind that yohimbine does have some stimulant

effects which users should be aware of. Folks who do their cardia at night (either because

they are doing double sessions or that's the only time they can do it) need to be aware

that caffeine/yohimbine can cause problems with falling asleep. Try to take the

combination at least 4 hours before habitual bedtime and you should be ok.

 

It would also be best to start with a half-dose of yohimbine for the first few times through

the protocol to asses your tolerance. Recall from a previous chapter that yohimbine can

cause anxiety attacksin predisposed individuals.

 

Athletes who can't indiscriminately add high intensity work to an already high training

load can use Protocol 2 on off days or as an additional low-intensity workout (the aerobic

work should have an active recovery effect to some degree). Of course, readers who choose

to use the SFP 1.0 or 2.0 can use Protocol 2 on the days that they don't do the higher

intensity protocols to avoid destroying their legs.

 

The same comments about duration and intensity of exercise from Protocol 1 apply here.

A duration of 45 to 60 minutes at a low to moderate intensity (3-4 RPE) is appropriate. Do

note that yohimbine (especially if combined with caffeine and/or tyrosine) can falsely

elevate heart rate during activity which makes heart rate misleading. Hence my preference

for RPE here.

 

Alternately, you can simply work at the aerobic intensity that would have generated a

130-140 HR prior to the yohimbe combination. That is, say that walking at 4mph and 1%

grade normally puts you at a 135 HR. But on yohimbine it takes you to 145-150. You

wouldn't need to slow down or eliminate the incline to bring HR back down, the

yohimbine is simply giving you a falsely elevated value.

 

 

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